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Why are the 20th century classics all extremely sad or depressing.
They're not.
>>25492828>babby's first litrachure
>>25492859>>babby's first litrachureyes
>>25492859Is The Stranger really what you read to babies
>Why are the 20th century classics all extremely sad or depressingThere are many reasons but the main ones are World War One and World War Two
Genuine questionI picked up reading as a hobby last year, i used to spam threads every week about my reading progress, and my favorite authors so far, i read ~50 books since last september.My favorite author is thomas bernhard, and hardly anyone write likes him.I decided to start pic rel, i am right now 400 pages in (Ivan leaves for Moscow, or does he?)and i cannot really get invested into any of the character. Should i drop this or it gets more interesting moving forward?thank you all have a good day!
>>25491702What do you think hedonism means?
Wasn’t so much the characters that captured me in this book (maybe the father somewhat), rather the sense of impending doom from the very beginning.If you can’t find any hook for yourself, it might just not be a book for you.(But if you didn’t feel the subtle doomed atmosphere, you may need to read more other books first, to properly pick up on this?)
Someone post the Karamazov anime OP quote.
>>25491702>thomas bernhardI was recently weighing up whether I should read Holzfällen. Did you read it? If yes, what did you like about it? Which books would you suggest to get into him?
>>25492457I would start with the loser l, and if you like that style of prose then i would read correction (only if you like wittgenstein)
>NO! you cant just perform the intensive developmental and social experiments necessary to determine the laws of human nature and build an actually functional society along rational lines! That's unethical!!! We should just keep guessing at the social sciences and continue to have wars and poverty and suffering!What is (every writer/philosopher who has every existed regardless of ideology and despite vast gulfs in stated values) problem?
>>25492263You're just adding extra steps to rationalize what will still end up being a totalitarian mess. Karl Popper also delt with this topic in Open Societ and it Enemies, what you're posing is still grand scale social engineering that obliterates individual sovereignty.https://voegelinview.com/heir-to-the-throne-posthumanism-and-the-specter-of-the-totalitarian-titan/>Strauss warned from this that modern science, in radically expanding the powers of man, could still not teach virtue and wisdom thanks to the fact-value distinction at the center of positivism, a problem that those still faithful to technicity foolishly believe would be resolved once social sciences and psychology caught up to the natural sciences. Such a development though would not close the gaps between facts and values, instead it would merely “bring about a still further increase of man’s power; they will enable men to manipulate man still better than ever before; they will as little teach man how to use his power over man or non-man as physics and chemistry do.” >This marks fully within the thought of Strauss the turning point in which the very thing meant to emancipate man turns against man, for the conquest of nature and the technological imperative it fuels is a naturally unlimited universal conquest, one that must and will attempt to besiege the supposed limits that the nature of man places upon it. For how could it not, especially when theoretical and ethic restraints have been thrown off? Human nature by its very nature is an extension of nature. Our evolutionary forebearers were born within it and molded by the natural forces of evolution, with every part of our bodies, brains, and nervous systems still defined by these ancient origins. The classical telos of the flourishment of human excellence through virtue and justice is ruptured and replaced by the necessity of the technological imperative, which will strip humanity down to its bare bones, neurons, and genetic code, towards a new form and resultant telos that the assumed unchangeable nature of man is but an impediment to. If the tyranny of nature is to be fully overcome given this, its residues with human nature naturally must be scrubbed off and a new being formed.
who mind controls the mind controllers thoughever?
>>25492821>they will enable men to manipulate man still better than ever before; they will as little teach man how to use his power over man or non-man as physics and chemistry do.”The question is not:>Why are we taught as undergrads in the west that Stanford prison experiment is le badThe question is:>why do even totalitarian regimes with no qualms about the use of mass propaganda and no concept of human rights refuse to investigate this line of fundamental human social psychology.At most, they have in their history some one off doctor who did one famously evil experiment and who jumped right into applications with no concern for first principles.I am not advocating for it except as for devils advocate, but I am interested in why there has been no actual in attempt in the 19th 20th or 21st century to apply scientific principles to develop an actually scientific science of the social.In a world of billions, you would think that at least one group would have calculated the risk /cost was worth the reward to create utopia.
>>25492841>why do even totalitarian regimes with no qualms about the use of mass propaganda and no concept of human rights refuse to investigate this line of fundamental human social psychology.The thing about totalitarian systems is that they have a human component by necessity. You must be a person bigger than life to retain that position. Although fear is a way to do this, pr is another. You want to be in charge of the tools the state wields. Nerd shit is fine so long as it makes useful toys and tools, but abstract nonsense is only available for military strategies, and solely for competitive edge.
>>25492841Its already been pointed out that MKULTRA was one attempt at this, to crack the human code for narrow warfare and espeionage purposes. And frankly, mass propaganda and ideology is already a soft version of this thats been applied wide and far, as a means of shifting the minds and sentiment at large, enabling modulated institutions and political legitimacy from it. I can't speak on specifics of what the Soviets did on this and if the CCP in china at any one point in the past or today is doing what you are speaking of. At the very least, the combination of material plentitude and authoritarian fear is enough to keep a functioning system going, without the hyper invasive total re engineering of society like this.You also need to realize the biggest power players in this is the social media/tech giants who have all the mass behavior/psychological data to profile and Crystal Ball the public. Whose to say they or those who have access to their data havent done exactly this, and have the tools and methodologies to completely rupture society? It may just be a matter of the institutional rupture and will to do this.Kinzer, author of Poisoner in Chief, warned as such recently to congress:https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Kinzer-Written-Testimony.pdf
physical are obviously superior, but are they worth the money?
>>25487816You can't be both
>>25488561What if I want to be a boomer?
>>25492771They can and frequently are, and were from the very beginning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaizers
>>25492792Then they're not real Christians
>>25492834Uh huh, yeah.
Spooktober is almost upon us edition.OLD >>25488324
>>25492848Very astute. >>25492850>>25492845Cynical fuck.
>>25492848>comeback includes mysogonistic quip>can't get a gfinteresting
>>25492190>still upBased jannies
Not able to read Dostoevsky anymore.>Dialogues written with an autist's level understanding of human interaction>The constant, nauseating melodrama>Realizing how the meek, sickly, intellectual, failure, twisted protagonist is a self-insert Loved him in my youth. But just like The Amazing Atheist or The Marvel, it's sadly unbearable as a well adjusted adult.
>>25492863>as a well adjusted adult.for some reason (your post) i have my doubts
Discord in Scarlet edition>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recommendations):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Banned Authors:Joe AbercrombieA.A. AttanasioR. Scott BakkerC.J. CherryhGlen CookSteven EriksonR.A. LaffertyMark LawrenceGeorge R.R. MartinComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25492723>and then, the woman orgasmed.
>>25492768Stop reading grimdark.
>>25492817I did. I'm trying to keep others from making the same mistake.
>>25492818What's your favorite uplifting sff that celebrates the joys of life?
>>25492835The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, Red Rising.
Lovecraft is on occasion, the very finest comic writer.>the wind dreadfully moaned a horrific dirge, the scoundrel sauntered into the miserable, loathsome afternoon, slowly devoured by the absolutely horrific mid-day sun, which scorned him every step he took
Lord knows there’s a metric shit ton of men who would VERY MUCH get off on the idea of being perused and sexually dominated by a woman.Why isnt there a book for all the lonely straight male subs out there??Female Dom’s don’t exist irl so it’s just about the only outlet aside from porn or prostitution for the fantasy to be engaged with.What gives?
>>25484501Switched it to red after getting called gay, huh?
>>25492608>If you want to point to a book that appeals to female fantasy where everyone will know what you mean, you point to 50 Shades. If you want to do the same regarding men, you point to LOTR.Hey this anon actually got my point on /lit/ take that you fags
>>25483542I watched the movie of this while stoned about a month ago and it was actually pretty great, I enjoyed it a lot, and I'm not even into BDSM or anything like that. I definitely didn't like it enough to read the book but the movie was fun. Anywho, answering your question OP, there's the book The Velvet Underground, almost entirely overshadowed by the excellent band of the same name, which was more of a matter of fact state of kink in early 60s NYC written more for the male audience than the female audience
>>25483542the male equivalent is picrel and I'm not even kidding
>>25491663>femslop enjoyer
I like Stephen King. I think he's better than Cormac McCarthy. And DFW.
I'm reading this and it's >goodHope it stays good in the second halfKing is not a genius by any means but his books are easily digestible and he makes his characters feel like their actions have a lot of weight in his otherwise low-stakes style of storytelling. For some retarded reason IT and The Strand ended up being his most popular and culturally relevant books when in reality they are mid in quality. Misery and The Green Mile are significantly better written, same with Salem's Lot and some of his lesser known books like The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon. King also writes straight up slop that not even his fans like, such as Cell and Dreamcatcher.
lol nodfw maybe
From the ages of about six to twelve I read probably every single thing along ever published up that point. I read a bunch of goosebumps books too but I never read a single harry potter book.
>>25492852WOW that's incredible!
>>25492854Yea he’s a really good storyteller. It’s fashionable to shit on his work because it’s so easy to do so, but I think more people should give him credit where credit is do.
Hao Wu editionStubbed >>25484045>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25492514>she is the sole person that does something about things for a timeHaha, the whole "sole" person mentality is the Stu part.
>>25491696>Also, for recommendation, Quest for Immortality/immortality through Array Formations > Inquiry into Longevity (asking about longevity / Any other name this novel has)That is legit another name for Inquiry into Longevity lol, but thanks for the new website to look for novels>>25491687At the time I started reading the novel, the most up to date AI website was like 300 chapters behind the raw, but I just checked it and now it is only 2 chapters behind.
>>25492321If they stole mine I would be amazed, considering that it's free.
>>25492666Oh for some reason I thought Inquiry into Longevity was another book called I shall be everlasting in a world of immortals (i thought it was kind of boring). I guess I would suggest Mao Ni's books if you haven't read them yet Nightfall, Way of Choices and The Path Toward Heaven. Also Super Dimensional Wizard/Warlock Apprentice
Greetings, fellow Daoists.
Which is the definitive translation?
>>25490930>A guide to The Iliad : based on the translation by Robert Fitzgerald by HoganDo you think it can be a good addition even when reading other translations?
>>25491000Definetly, he talks about the motifs, themes, motivations that can help with any translation and is on Anna's Archive
My nigga Thersites was right about everything, he is the only one looking out for the common soldier but Homer draws him as the crying 'jack and Agamenon and Odysseus as the Chad.
>>25491178Thanks, I'm gonna get it.
>>25479358Most scholars agree that the definitive translation is the one by Travis Scott.
I'm reading Right Ho, Jeeves. I haven't read fiction for years, and certainly not comedy. Really enjoying it so far. Is there anything I need to know? Also discuss Wodehouse and the Jeeves books ITT
Thanks for the recomendation, sounds fun.Bump.
>>25492627>Also discuss Wodehouse and the Jeeves books ITTI somehow ended up with a copy of this, should I start reading Wodehouse here? Or one of the classic novels?
>>25492688>introduction by Hilaire BellocThat sounds like an awesome place to start, frankly.
>>25492627i enjoy them but they're like candy.one every so often.if you do go back to back on them he gets a bit samey.
Metamorphoseon editio>τὸ πρότερον νῆμα·>>25423360>Μέγα τὸ Ἑλληνιστί/Ῥωμαϊστί·https://mega dot nz/folder/FHdXFZ4A#mWgaKv4SeG-2Rx7iMZ6EKw>Mέγα τὸ ANE·https://mega dot nz/folder/YfsmFRxA#pz58Q6aTDkwn9Ot6G68NRg>Work in progress FAQhttps://rentry dot co/n8nrkoAll Classical languages are welcome.
>>25491961i have some surface knowledge of other classical languages and linguistics in general. old/classical japanese (2 periods covering 700-1100 AD) is still closer to modern japanese than something like old english is to modern english or any romance language is to latin because japanese's CV phonotactics make it more phonetically stable and it hasn't experienced significant language contact like most languages due to japan not experiencing large scale migrations of other linguistic groups, however there are still differences in vocabulary (a ton of false friends and unique particles), conjugation, etc. which makes them mutually unintelligible without prior study really the greatest difference and the biggest hurdle is the honorific language which is utterly unrecognisable with the terms used and when/how it's usedOld English (Beowulf so 700-1000AD)>ĐA wæs on burgum Beowulf Scyldinga >leof leodcyning longe þrage, >folcum gefræge.>Then it fell to Beow to keep the forts. He was well regarded and ruled the Danesvs.(romanised) Classical Japanese (Ise sometime 9th century) >kakitubata ito omotsiroku tsakitari >(modern) kakitsubata-ga taihen kirei-ni saite itaComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25492052Thanks for your throrough post and for the examples!
>>25491627Check out Collection Budé, they're quite pricy though.
is reclam good?https://www.reclam.de/produktdetail/de-bello-gallico-9783150197837it's a monolingual edition with commentary, dirt cheap tooI don't mind the German as I will learn it too soon
repalam is better
Economics> Capital, Vols. 1–3 — Karl Marx> Wage Labour and Capital — Karl Marx> Value, Price and Profit — Karl Marx> Grundrisse: Foundations of the Critique of Political Economy — Karl Marx> Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism — Vladimir I. Lenin> What Is to Be Done? — Vladimir I. Lenin> Reform or Revolution — Rosa Luxemburg> The Part Played by Labour in the Transition from Ape to Man — Friedrich Engels> Anti-Dühring — Friedrich Engels> The German Ideology — Karl Marx / Friedrich Engels> Critique of the Gotha Programme — Karl Marx> Theses on Feuerbach — Karl Marx> Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right. Introduction — Karl Marx> The Wealth of Nations — Adam SmithComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25492218>this is an image board post imagesThis is the literature board, though.Write words.
Has anyone ever explained the phenomenon of german autism in a satisfactory manner?
>>254906620/10 because he is German. It would be like asking a suicidal person for books to read about why I should live. His own beliefs will have him replaced very soon by people who would do away with the system he advocates for.
>>25492633That's alot of assumptions.
>>25492633Impressively rigorous a priori proof. Chapeau.
