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Russ Cox on X: "> diamutholego: would love to know what the direction is for go plugins Kind of rudderless right now. Higher priority things are taking all our cycles, so mostly benign neglect for plugins. Sorry."

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    Russ Cox
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    Nov 12, 2021
    At the end I said I’d post how to try Go with generics. Easiest is to already have go, and then run go install golang.org/dl/gotip@latest gotip download Then run gotip instead of go: ‘gotip build’, ‘gotip test’ and so on. Or: export PATH=$(gotip env GOROOT)/bin:$PATH for ‘go’.
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    Russ Cox
    @_rsc
    Nov 12, 2021
    Handling chat questions. > Prime Gamingprogrium: i saw rob pikes talk in 2007 about newsqueak, ... was it referenced by the rest of the team? I don't think anyone explicitly looked at Newsqueak again, but experience with it definitely influenced Go. swtch.com/~rsc/thread/
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    Russ Cox
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    Nov 12, 2021
    > dcreager1847: Was Google as strict about the approved prod languages list when Go was first started? It seems like a chicken-and-egg problem... needing a lot of library support etc to get to the point where it's an approvable language. Yes. It’s a lot of work, but necessary.
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    Russ Cox
    @_rsc
    Nov 12, 2021
    If you’re going to start using the language, you need to be sure you can support it well and that you will be happy doing so for a long time. Software has a way of being difficult to retire.
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    Russ Cox
    @_rsc
    Nov 12, 2021
    > peqeleq: stack traces is one Java feature I miss in Go Not sure what this means. We have lots of stack traces. At run time, see runtime.Caller etc, or debug.Stack.
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    Russ Cox
    @_rsc
    Nov 12, 2021
    > knightofdolamroth: in handmade seattle, there was this question that has been discussed, why Go has its own ABI, instead of C? what are the benefits? We need: 1. Stack management - we want resizable, bounds checked stacks for goroutines 2. Knowing where pointers are for GC.
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    Russ Cox
    @_rsc
    Nov 12, 2021
    > Turbomeldar: Question: why did Golang avoid something like what Nim did where it compiles to C ? Previous question’s answers apply: very hard to do that with GC. But also that is often subpar for debuggability etc.
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    Russ Cox
    @_rsc
    Nov 12, 2021
    > tuna_fudge_face: personal question: is it intimidating to work with someone like ken thompson? I was scared to talk to Ken basically the whole time I was (very part time) at Bell Labs. But it was fantastic to be his officemate for two years at Google. He’s incredibly nice!
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    Russ Cox
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    Nov 12, 2021
    > not_colin: as simon says, it's bracketed: avoid (success at all costs) I had no idea, thanks! I think either bracketing is good advice though.
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    Russ Cox
    @_rsc
    Nov 12, 2021
    > hunteriam: Is the Go team trying to displace languages like Java? Not at all. There are plenty of new programmers every day. I’d rather focus on helping them succeed than trying to “convert” others. Fine if others want to join, but it’s not a competition.
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    Russ Cox
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    > diamutholego: would love to know what the direction is for go plugins Kind of rudderless right now. Higher priority things are taking all our cycles, so mostly benign neglect for plugins. Sorry.
    8:31 PM · Nov 12, 2021
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    Russ Cox
    @_rsc
    Nov 12, 2021
    > typedreflections: Is there any intention to standardise compile-time metaprogramming to replace go-generate? No. We like that authors can run whatever tools they want and just check in the result. That’s far easier for users, and usually # users > # authors.
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    Russ Cox
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    Nov 12, 2021
    > Zshbunnii: does Russ Cox uses Emacs? A long time ago, I had to use FreeBSD in grad school to collaborate with the rest of my group. I tried Emacs for a month or so. Then I decided it would be easier to port all the Plan 9 commands to FreeBSD instead. swtch.com/plan9port